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    Enlarge / A now-deleted Intel presentation makes a superb level, however with a aspect of disingenuousness.

    AMD modified the best way it numbers its Ryzen laptop computer processors final yr, switching to a brand new system that concurrently gives extra concrete info than the previous one whereas additionally partially obfuscating the precise age of the assorted CPU and GPU architectures being mixed-and-matched.

    For occasion, a educated purchaser can have a look at the “3” in the Ryzen 5 7530U processor and decide that it makes use of an older Zen 3-based CPU core. But a less-knowledgeable purchaser might be forgiven for trying on the “7000” half and assuming that the chip is considerably newer and higher than 2021’s Ryzen 5600U, when in actuality the 2 are considerably equivalent.

    Intel got here out swinging in opposition to this naming scheme in a confrontational slide deck this week—now deleted, however preserved for posterity by VideoCardz—the place it accuses AMD of promoting “snake oil” through the use of older processor architectures in ostensibly “new” chips.

    The “Core Truths” deck takes explicit problem with the Ryzen 7020 sequence, launched in late 2022 and into 2023 however utilizing Zen 2-based CPU cores that date again to mid-2019. Intel argues, not inaccurately, {that a} Thirteenth-generation Core i5-1335U chip can carry out a lot better than a Ryzen 5 7520U, regardless of each being marketed as latest releases.

    Intel's slide deck makes a familiar point about AMD's laptop processor naming system.
    Enlarge / Intel’s slide deck makes a well-recognized level about AMD’s laptop computer processor naming system.

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    My first response was to mainly agree with Intel’s general level; this was straightforward to do because the firm used one thing I wrote to again up its argument. To quote myself in full:

    “[If] you suppose it is an issue that similar-looking mannequin numbers can be utilized for CPUs with completely totally different capabilities, the brand new numbering is perhaps a bit worse [than the old numbering],” I wrote. “As an fanatic, I might inform you {that a} hypothetical Ryzen 5 7630U is a rebranded 5000-series chip and {that a} Ryzen 5 7635U is a rebranded 6000-series chip. But as a shopper, you are still meant to see the quantity 7 and suppose, “Oh, that is new,” regardless that Rembrandt comes with huge boosts to GPU efficiency and energy effectivity in comparison with Barcelo.”

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    My second response, arrived at virtually concurrently, was to surprise why Intel was taking a lot problem with a apply that Intel itself commonly makes use of to “refresh” its processor lineups.

    Take that i5-1335U. Intel is correct that it makes use of the corporate’s most up-to-date CPU structure, codenamed Raptor Lake (the next-gen Meteor Lake is across the nook, however it’s not right here but). What Intel neglects to say is that, in most instances, Raptor Lake is merely a brand new title for the Alder Lake structure used in Twelfth-generation processors. The Core i5-1355U is almost equivalent to the Core i5-1255U, other than some delicate clock pace boosts to the CPU and GPU.

    Intel's "Core Truths" deck makes a fairly standard chipmaking practice sound nefarious.
    Enlarge / Intel’s “Core Truths” deck makes a reasonably customary chipmaking apply sound nefarious.

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    “Rebranding previous expertise to make it appear newer” is a trick that virtually all huge chipmakers have resorted to at one time, and Intel has a very wealthy historical past with it. The mid-to-late-2010s manufacturing issues that misplaced Intel its chipmaking expertise lead additionally resulted in a whopping 5 generations of chips that all used some variation of the identical Skylake-based CPU and GPU structure. Performance saved rising all through this period as Intel bumped up clock speeds and added extra cores, however these had been rather more gradual enhancements than what we had gotten used to in the mid-2000s into the early 2010s.

    And Intel’s expertise reuse is not all in its previous, both. Its Thirteenth-generation desktop GPUs solely improved on the Twelfth-generation fashions in small methods, and the 14th-generation desktop chips are practically equivalent to the Thirteenth technology. Intel used the identical fundamental Iris Xe built-in GPUs in three successive generations of laptop computer chips with out making any enhancements of observe.

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    There’s nothing inherently unsuitable with an organization reusing its expertise, as boring because it typically is for reviewers and fans to need to take so many seems at so many incremental iterations on the identical fundamental tech. Intel must serve its PC-making companions, and people companions demand new chips to allow them to hold making and promoting new issues; the market calls for newness, regardless of whether or not these merchandise are actually new or just “new” in citation marks. But for Intel to complain about AMD’s practices right here feels notably unearned and petty.

    And of all the AMD processors to complain about, the Ryzen 7020 sequence is not even the worst offender, on condition that it pairs the previous Zen 2 structure with a more moderen manufacturing course of and an RDNA 2-based built-in GPU—its CPU cores are based mostly on an older design, however there’s so much in regards to the processor that really is up to date.

    Intel's numbers here aren't wrong! But they do lack context.
    Enlarge / Intel’s numbers right here aren’t unsuitable! But they do lack context.

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    As Intel factors out, mixing new expertise in with the previous does not essentially make the 7520U’s CPU aggressive (each the 7520U and i5-1335U seem in laptops that begin in the $400–$500 vary on many retail websites, and Intel’s chip will completely outrun AMD’s, particularly in multi-threaded duties). I want that AMD would decide to refreshing its laptop computer chip vary in a extra constant manner since it will be much less complicated and hold folks from ending up with what’s a more-or-less 5-year-old processor efficiency in a brand-new laptop computer.

    But if Intel has an issue with repackaging previous expertise and promoting it as new, the corporate ought to contemplate trying inward earlier than complaining about what others are doing. To gripe about AMD’s practices simply weeks after releasing the hardly up to date 14th-generation Core desktop processors—perhaps Intel ought to transfer out of its glass home earlier than it begins throwing rocks.

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